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Road work notifications present challenges

The in basket: Patty Kemp writes, “My driveway accesses directly onto Miller Bay Road (in North Kitsap).  For the past several days, there has been road construction at the top of my driveway, often blocking my access.

“Shouldn’t I have received some kind of notification this would be happening, and some indication of when it will end?”

The out basket: Doug Bear, spokesman for Kitsap County Public Works, says, “We don’t generally notify each residence personally when we do road work. For a project like this, which runs along the length of Miller Bay Road and moves in stages, the logistics of personally notifying each resident presents many challenges.

“Work like this is weather dependent and we have to be very flexible with when we can accomplish it. If we told everyone that we were going to be there Tuesday and Wednesday, but due to weather or equipment or crew availability we had to move it to Thursday and Friday, the residents would be misinformed and frustrated by those changes. Road work is always flexible, and even the best laid plan can go south quickly.

“That said, we encourage people to sign up for automatic notifications through The Road Report. We send out a weekly update to subscribers each week to let them know where we plan to be working the following week. When schedules change, we send out notifications for those changes. This allows us to notify the most people as quickly as possible when changes to the plan are necessary. To subscribe go to http://www.kitsapgov.com/pw/roadwork.htm and click on the link to subscribe. The Road Report is the best way to stay ahead of construction detours and delays.”

The Road Report entry for this project says the paving will extend from the Heritage Park to Indianola Road NE) this week. A pilot car will guide motorists through the work area. Expect significant delays of 10 minutes or more in the immediate vicinity of the work. It doesn’t say when the overall project will be completed.

Road patches on Miller Bay Road having problems

The in basket: Jerry Darnall of Kingston writes, “The recent county road patches on Miller Bay Road from Kountry Korners south to Gunderson are crumbling faster than a graham cracker in milk. Opposing traffic splashes gravel like shotgun pellets. Defective mix? Improper install? Is county assuming any liability for an obvious problem?”

I asked if it was another chip seal that had problems, which has happened in the past.

The out basket: Jacques Dean, county road superintendent says, “Miller Bay Road is surfaced with asphalt pavement, not chip seal.  Crews used cold mix asphalt to repair the potholes with the intent of returning during better weather to complete a more permanent repair.”

“Cold mix is a temporary repair product that typically holds up well in wet weather applications but can degrade under extreme wet conditions.”  Crews were to revisit the area Friday and repair again with cold mix, he said.

“Dryer weather should ensure a better bond with the underlying pavement.  We will look for a longer dry weather window to complete more permanent hot mix asphalt repairs,” Jacques said.

As for liability, I’m sure the county won’t make any blanket offers, but individuals can make a claim to county risk management and see what the response is.


Do overhead traffic detectors record images?

The in basket: Andrew MacMillen is the latest to ask about the cameras Kitsap County is putting on top of more and more of its traffic signal cross arms, the ones at Miller Bay  and Gunderson roads near Indianola in his case. 

“When the lights were originally installed, they only had the bus/emergency preemption notifier/receivers,” he said. “What are the new cameras for?” 

When I told him they are overhead traffic detectors that tell the signals when cars are waiting, used in lieu of the in-pavement wires that have been around for years, Andrew had some more questions. 

“Just to be thoroughly paranoid,” he said,”if they are video cameras that use pattern recognition to detect traffic, can the signal be poached for other purposes?  My concerns are that if they have video, 1) is it retained, 2) can it be used for make/model/face/plate/etc. recognition, either live or later? Or used as a red light system, etc. ad nauseum.”

While I was asking about them, I asked how they worked for their main purpose. It has to be more than motion detection, I reasoned, as stopped cars aren’t moving. 

The out basket: Jeff Shea, Kitsap County’s traffic engineer, replied, “The cameras are not new. They were installed when the signals were constructed. The detection cameras are actual video cameras that detect traffic when the default pixel pattern is disrupted. 

“While it is technologically possible to record and transmit images, there are no communication lines connected to the camera,” Jeff said. “We do not have any recording devices at the signal cabinet itself either, so no video is retained by the county.”

Turn lanes to nowhere on Miller Bay Road


The in basket: Matt Thurston of Indianola writes, “In the midst of the current  

budget crisis with (Kitsap) County, I would like to point out some ‘waste’ as I  

see it. 

“On Miller Bay Road between Indianola Road and West Kingston Road there was construction for numerous months. Now the construction is complete.  

There is a right-hand turn lane and a center turn lane. The only problem  

is these lanes turn into a dirt lot. There is nothing there except an old  

abandoned building. 

“Just curious why my tax dollars paid for this,” he said. 

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