Traffic detection at Bethel and Lund avenues


The in basket: Mike DeMinter wrote in August to say, “A couple of days ago I noticed someone is working on the traffic  

lights at the Bethel/Lund intersection in Port Orchard.  Are they also going to reposition the left turn sensor that signifies traffic flow from Bethel onto Lund (towards Jackson Avenue)?


“When Lund was widened a few years ago, a right-turn lane was put in for cars that want to turn onto Bethel and progress towards the bowling alley,” he said. “The creation of the additional lane caused the white line markers on Bethel to be moved back. What was forgotten  

is the left turn sensor mentioned above.  It appears to have been  

left untouched.

“As it stands now, approximately three-fourths of the sensor 

wire is in front of the white line and thus not  usable.


“Consequently,” he said, “cars that want to make a left onto Lund must ‘snuggle up’ to the double-white line in order to be ‘sensed.’  Many times I have had to wait extraordinary lengths of time behind cautious drivers who stop a few feet behind the double white line and wait through several light changes until they finally realize what is going on and move up.”

Belinda Wright has a question about the same intersection. She was reading on the Road Warrior blog at  about the limitation on Bremerton’s red light enforcement cameras to only two directions of travel per intersection that they can monitor. 

“What look like cameras have been installed at Bethel and Lund in Port Orchard and it looks like they are pointing in all four directions. What’s up with that?” she asked.

The out basket: Jeff Shea, Kitsap County traffic engineer, without addressing Mike’s interpretation of what led to the problems, says “The traffic control box, which houses the electronics that runs the lights, was recently replaced. Many of the loops in this intersection are beginning to fail.”  

The county has replaced them with the new overhead traffic detection cameras, one for each direction. Those are what Belinda sees on the cross arms, not red light enforcement cameras. Only Bremerton has them and at only a handful of locations. They look nothing like the detection cameras and aren’t on the signal cross arms

The overhead cameras are gradually replacing the in-pavement detector loops because they can be repaired without tearing up the pavement and can remain in service when something else requires digging up the road surface.


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