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		<title>By: Karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 01:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Mary Colborn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary Colborn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 05:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sharon,
     Judith Kay has started an offshoot of the SK senior center group called, &quot;Senior Action Committee.&quot; Her group is offering a big band punch bowl party tomorrow from 2-5 at Diane Watson&#039;s place, D.J.&#039;s Music up on Mile Hill Rd in South Kitsap.

     She&#039;s working hard to address the needs of seniors. She&#039;d love for you to join her. Or, if you can&#039;t make her meetings, she&#039;d love for you to help her get the word out. 

All the best,

Mary</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sharon,<br />
     Judith Kay has started an offshoot of the SK senior center group called, &#8220;Senior Action Committee.&#8221; Her group is offering a big band punch bowl party tomorrow from 2-5 at Diane Watson&#8217;s place, D.J.&#8217;s Music up on Mile Hill Rd in South Kitsap.</p>
<p>     She&#8217;s working hard to address the needs of seniors. She&#8217;d love for you to join her. Or, if you can&#8217;t make her meetings, she&#8217;d love for you to help her get the word out. </p>
<p>All the best,</p>
<p>Mary</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 02:41:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sharon, please don&#039;t put words in my mouth. I&#039;m surprised that you have a problem with this, I&#039;m surprised that you think a 40-mile round trip is &quot;centrally located&quot;. I know you&#039;re a fan of the South Kitsap Commissioner, but at the expense of our most vulnerable citizens?

What do you want, exactly? Do you want to put the genie back in the bottle? Turn back time? Do you want South Kitsap and surrounding area to be one big agricultural site? Crops growing where interstates use to be like one poster suggested? Do you want it to be a retirement village and Central Kitsap be the community that serves youth? Social engineering?

I&#039;ve lived in some different places, Scandinavian communities where people can&#039;t pay enough taxes and children are held in high esteem. Communities where the athletic programs and the arts were subsidized by oil companies, even a bedroom community outside of Portland that somehow successfully absorbed 15,000 Russian immigrants. And it wasn&#039;t a large city. I have to say, I&#039;ve never lived in a community where the have nots have so little. It&#039;s embarrassing. You should be embarrassed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sharon, please don&#8217;t put words in my mouth. I&#8217;m surprised that you have a problem with this, I&#8217;m surprised that you think a 40-mile round trip is &#8220;centrally located&#8221;. I know you&#8217;re a fan of the South Kitsap Commissioner, but at the expense of our most vulnerable citizens?</p>
<p>What do you want, exactly? Do you want to put the genie back in the bottle? Turn back time? Do you want South Kitsap and surrounding area to be one big agricultural site? Crops growing where interstates use to be like one poster suggested? Do you want it to be a retirement village and Central Kitsap be the community that serves youth? Social engineering?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve lived in some different places, Scandinavian communities where people can&#8217;t pay enough taxes and children are held in high esteem. Communities where the athletic programs and the arts were subsidized by oil companies, even a bedroom community outside of Portland that somehow successfully absorbed 15,000 Russian immigrants. And it wasn&#8217;t a large city. I have to say, I&#8217;ve never lived in a community where the have nots have so little. It&#8217;s embarrassing. You should be embarrassed.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathryn Simpson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathryn Simpson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 02:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sharon,

Would you like to know the GPAs of our fall sports teams?

Three out of four of SKSD fall sports teams each had team GPAs of 3.0 or better. In fact, I think Volleyball was 3.6.  Football fell a little short of 3.0.  It was 2.9.

Yes, we have kids that are struggling academically in South Kitsap and we are working hard to address that.  While we do that, are you suggesting we take away sports and dessert for all?

Btw, Sharon, from the 2009 Database available at OSPI&#039;s website, below are local graduation rates (on-time and extended)...

SKSD   81.3% and 88.3%
PENN   83.2% and 88.4%
NKSD   80.1% and 84.9%
CKSD   89.4% and 97.8%
BREM   63.6% and 69.9%

State Wide Average:  78.4% and 83.0% 


Regards,
Kathryn Simpson</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sharon,</p>
<p>Would you like to know the GPAs of our fall sports teams?</p>
<p>Three out of four of SKSD fall sports teams each had team GPAs of 3.0 or better. In fact, I think Volleyball was 3.6.  Football fell a little short of 3.0.  It was 2.9.</p>
<p>Yes, we have kids that are struggling academically in South Kitsap and we are working hard to address that.  While we do that, are you suggesting we take away sports and dessert for all?</p>
<p>Btw, Sharon, from the 2009 Database available at OSPI&#8217;s website, below are local graduation rates (on-time and extended)&#8230;</p>
<p>SKSD   81.3% and 88.3%<br />
PENN   83.2% and 88.4%<br />
NKSD   80.1% and 84.9%<br />
CKSD   89.4% and 97.8%<br />
BREM   63.6% and 69.9%</p>
<p>State Wide Average:  78.4% and 83.0% </p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Kathryn Simpson</p>
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		<title>By: Kathryn Simpson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathryn Simpson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 01:27:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sharon,

No one in this forum has said that they do not value seniors.  When you say, &quot;it is sad and surprising that they are without value to you as well&quot;, to whom are you referring?

Regards,
Kathryn Simpson</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sharon,</p>
<p>No one in this forum has said that they do not value seniors.  When you say, &#8220;it is sad and surprising that they are without value to you as well&#8221;, to whom are you referring?</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Kathryn Simpson</p>
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		<title>By: Sharon O'Hara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sharon O'Hara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 00:10:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;All parks, forests, preserves are a good thing, but not at the exclusion of the people in the community.&quot;

Exclusion of the people in the community?  Most communities of people living in communities already bulldozed down and filled with street to street houses would disagree with you...

Parks, forests, preserves are not only a good thing, they are done FOR the people in the community.    

Do you feel the same toward the seniors in your area?  That would explain why your seniors have nothing on the south end.  They&#039;re held without value too.
It is sad and surprising that they are without value to you as well.  I&#039;m sorry. 
Sharon O&#039;Hara</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;All parks, forests, preserves are a good thing, but not at the exclusion of the people in the community.&#8221;</p>
<p>Exclusion of the people in the community?  Most communities of people living in communities already bulldozed down and filled with street to street houses would disagree with you&#8230;</p>
<p>Parks, forests, preserves are not only a good thing, they are done FOR the people in the community.    </p>
<p>Do you feel the same toward the seniors in your area?  That would explain why your seniors have nothing on the south end.  They&#8217;re held without value too.<br />
It is sad and surprising that they are without value to you as well.  I&#8217;m sorry.<br />
Sharon O&#8217;Hara</p>
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		<title>By: Sharon O'Hara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sharon O'Hara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 23:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karen...The south end chose dog parks - 4 or 5 that cost the taxpayer.  Did you speak up against the cost to the taxpayer and put in a bid for a field instead?  

It makes sense to have the turf field at Olympic Stadium... centralized so everyone can use it and cost effective.

If Banner Park has so little meaning to you and the current day crowd, why not shut it down and put in a field with the money saved?  

What - exactly - do you want?

Sharon O&#039;Hara</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karen&#8230;The south end chose dog parks &#8211; 4 or 5 that cost the taxpayer.  Did you speak up against the cost to the taxpayer and put in a bid for a field instead?  </p>
<p>It makes sense to have the turf field at Olympic Stadium&#8230; centralized so everyone can use it and cost effective.</p>
<p>If Banner Park has so little meaning to you and the current day crowd, why not shut it down and put in a field with the money saved?  </p>
<p>What &#8211; exactly &#8211; do you want?</p>
<p>Sharon O&#8217;Hara</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 21:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for some of the background information. All parks, forests, preserves are a good thing, but not at the exclusion of the people in the community.

I don&#039;t know if you caught the information in one of these stories that said the county is constructing a turf field at Gordon Fields at this time. Those fields are about 200 yards from the Olympic High School Stadium, another turf field, with lights, that sounds like it gets used 14 to 16 hours a day and generates income as well.

I accept the reasoning that there is no money, it&#039;s not their job, and so on, but you have the construction of a second turf field near the Fairgrounds when South Kitsap doesn&#039;t have one. There&#039;s something wrong with that premise.

Maybe it&#039;s just a case of the SK Commissioner delivering what her constituents want and the Central Kitsap Commissioner delivering what his constituents want.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for some of the background information. All parks, forests, preserves are a good thing, but not at the exclusion of the people in the community.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if you caught the information in one of these stories that said the county is constructing a turf field at Gordon Fields at this time. Those fields are about 200 yards from the Olympic High School Stadium, another turf field, with lights, that sounds like it gets used 14 to 16 hours a day and generates income as well.</p>
<p>I accept the reasoning that there is no money, it&#8217;s not their job, and so on, but you have the construction of a second turf field near the Fairgrounds when South Kitsap doesn&#8217;t have one. There&#8217;s something wrong with that premise.</p>
<p>Maybe it&#8217;s just a case of the SK Commissioner delivering what her constituents want and the Central Kitsap Commissioner delivering what his constituents want.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Gay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger Gay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 18:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kitsap County has money and had money in the past for parks.  It was money to buy property, not maintain and improve.  I live near Wicks Lake where the Kitsap owns over 100 acres.  Try coming by and riding your bike or walking your dog.  After that go back to your Banner, Horseshoe, or Wildcat and compare facilities.  What part of no funding is hard to understand?  Your elected officials in Olympia did this by passing rules and regulations the last 20 years that have greatly restricted the ability of the County to operate and maintain parks.  I have a little back round in that I was a South Kitsap Parks Commissioner for over 10 years.  You want a fully functional park?  You want a new Olympic Stadium?  Gather the money from private sources and build it.  Gather the money from involved and active organizations, private companies, and your neighbors and improve your park.  Have a problem with how this is working?  Call your elected representatives in Olympia and complain.  What you have now is the direct result of you electing those in office and allowing them to pull the wool over your eyes and not do the job we put them in office to do.  Just my opinion of course.
Roger Gay
South KItsap</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kitsap County has money and had money in the past for parks.  It was money to buy property, not maintain and improve.  I live near Wicks Lake where the Kitsap owns over 100 acres.  Try coming by and riding your bike or walking your dog.  After that go back to your Banner, Horseshoe, or Wildcat and compare facilities.  What part of no funding is hard to understand?  Your elected officials in Olympia did this by passing rules and regulations the last 20 years that have greatly restricted the ability of the County to operate and maintain parks.  I have a little back round in that I was a South Kitsap Parks Commissioner for over 10 years.  You want a fully functional park?  You want a new Olympic Stadium?  Gather the money from private sources and build it.  Gather the money from involved and active organizations, private companies, and your neighbors and improve your park.  Have a problem with how this is working?  Call your elected representatives in Olympia and complain.  What you have now is the direct result of you electing those in office and allowing them to pull the wool over your eyes and not do the job we put them in office to do.  Just my opinion of course.<br />
Roger Gay<br />
South KItsap</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 08:33:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sharon, I&#039;ve actually spent some time out at Banner Forest, both hiking and riding bike. It doesn&#039;t sound like you&#039;ve visited it, so you explaining the value of this undeveloped forest preserve to me is ironic.

Do you have any idea how much the county paid for that land and how many people use it on a daily basis? I guess that is the thread, closing parks that get used, laying people off from jobs when there are no other job prospects, and spending millions of dollars on land-grabbing. 

I like trees as much as anyone, probably more than most people, having grown up in the mid west, but trees are not more important than people and the county parks department is not a conservancy.

Funny thing. Chip Faver, the former County Parks Director, is the only area public servant I&#039;ve heard say and this is not an exact quote, &quot;..it is a role, or the role, of government to be a voice for people that don&#039;t have one.&quot;  He wasn&#039;t an elected official when he said that, I believe he was appointed to his position, and now he&#039;s gone. 

Look around. The Pacific Northwest has no shortage of trees and water and mountains. What we do have a shortage of is providing adequately for our young people. All of the young people, not just the progeny of important people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sharon, I&#8217;ve actually spent some time out at Banner Forest, both hiking and riding bike. It doesn&#8217;t sound like you&#8217;ve visited it, so you explaining the value of this undeveloped forest preserve to me is ironic.</p>
<p>Do you have any idea how much the county paid for that land and how many people use it on a daily basis? I guess that is the thread, closing parks that get used, laying people off from jobs when there are no other job prospects, and spending millions of dollars on land-grabbing. </p>
<p>I like trees as much as anyone, probably more than most people, having grown up in the mid west, but trees are not more important than people and the county parks department is not a conservancy.</p>
<p>Funny thing. Chip Faver, the former County Parks Director, is the only area public servant I&#8217;ve heard say and this is not an exact quote, &#8220;..it is a role, or the role, of government to be a voice for people that don&#8217;t have one.&#8221;  He wasn&#8217;t an elected official when he said that, I believe he was appointed to his position, and now he&#8217;s gone. </p>
<p>Look around. The Pacific Northwest has no shortage of trees and water and mountains. What we do have a shortage of is providing adequately for our young people. All of the young people, not just the progeny of important people.</p>
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