Tag Archives: Trenton

Over-intersection flashers may give way to sign post flashers

The in basket: I noticed the other day that the intersection of Fircrest Drive and Madrona Drive in South Kitsap’s Parkwood development, which has gotten more than the usual traffic control in the past, has something new.
Above the stop signs for traffic on Madrona wanting to cross Fircrest there now are flashing red beacons with solar sensors above them, their power source.
I didn’t recall seeing anything like them before, though they called to mind the stop signs on Fairgrounds Road at Old Military Road, which are bordered by small red flashing lights.
I asked if they are something new and what it is about Fircrest and Madrona which requires extra attention. Until now, that consisted of a sign warning Madrona drivers that cross-traffic on Fircrest doesn’t have to stop.
The out basket: Kitsap County Traffic Engineer Jeff Shea says, “Both the LED lights bordering the signs (on Fairgrounds Road) and the above sign beacons (on Madrona) are (federally) approved applications to improve sign conspicuity.
“The LED border lights at Old Military and Fairgrounds is the only location with this configuration, although we do have a Warning Arrow sign with LED border lights on Southworth Drive.
“The intersection had a higher than average collision rate, so we decided to enhance the stop signs with the LED lights.  We will be monitoring this site to see if this enhanced conspicuity of the sign reduces collisions.  I have seen some concern noted in the literature about glare from the LEDs obscuring the sign to some degree.
“The (Madrona) sign beacons are currently under a replacement test program.  Our traffic safety team has been doing research on safety related to over-intersection beacons. They found that some motorists are confused on the meaning of the red in one direction and yellow in the other direction. Several jurisdictions around the country are replacing all their intersection beacons with above-sign beacons.
“Currently we have replaced two overhead beacons with above-sign beacons; 30th and Trenton, and Madrona and Fircrest.
“You are correct that this intersection has gotten a lot of attention for safety measures.  We aren’t exactly sure why motorists are having problems, but we will continue to monitor it. If we find that above sign beacons improve safety, we will eventually change out all overhead intersection beacons.”

Odd E. 11th/Trenton intersection questioned

The in basket: While touring food gardens in Manette Saturday during the Edible Garden Tour, I talked with Karen Danis at her Jacobsen Boulevard home, one of those on the tour.

She asked me about what she considers the counter-intuitive traffic control on East 11th Street at Trenton Avenue, a few blocks from their home, where drivers may continue without stopping in the left turn onto Trenton. Drivers on Trenton northbound must stop and the very few wanting to continue south on Trenton must yield. Her husband, Galen, said he makes a hard right from Jacobsen’s angled approach, then left to approach the turn at a right angle and stay out of the way of cars turning from East 11th to Trenton.

The out basket: I told them the intersection had been that way for as long as I can recall, and I doubt the city would change it, barring a rash of accidents there. It would change driver’s expectations after decades of it being as it is.

As an example, there still are many drivers coming off the Manette Bridge and not yielding to traffic in the new roundabout there, which I think is attributable to the decades of them having the right of way when leaving the bridge. That changed just this year.

Reader Jan Luckcuck wrote last week saying it’s still happening, twice to her in the previous two weeks while she was in the roundabout.

I’m unable to guess what experience caused the city to allow lefts without stopping on East 11th at Trenton, and I imagine anyone in city government at the time who would know is long gone.

Do any of you old-timers, perhaps residents of that area, recall  what led to the strange arrangement?