Tag Archives: East 11th

Manette residents find intersection scary

The in basket: Josh Farley, city reporter for The Sun, e-mailed to say, “I’ve been talking with some employees and residents in Manette about the intersection of Pitt Avenue at East 11th Street. Lots of people take the right-hand turn from East 11th onto Pitt at quite the pace, prompting some to call for a yield sign or some lights to be put along the crosswalk. Also, the stop sign on Pitt Avenue at East 11th is, strangely, on a telephone pole rather than the street sign. Any chance you could check into these  issues?”

The out basket: The last time I wrote about East 11th and Pitt, it was from the perspective of drivers who wanted the flow from Harkins to East 11th made smoother. Gunnar Fridriksson, head of the city street engineers, said then the residents of the area preferred that the flow through that double-dogleg turn be kept awkward for safety.

That’s still true, he told me when I asked about hope among Manette denizens the flow in the opposite direction could be made safer.

Gunnar said there have been some close calls at that intersection, but not a lot of accidents. Drivers occasionally expect westbound drivers to turn right or stop, and start to pull out. When a westbound vehicle goes straight, as it is legally entitled to do, good fortune has so far prevented an accident

“We have received a couple of comments that we should add a stop sign at westbound East 11th at Pitt,” he said, “that there have been a few near-misses with drivers who went through instead of making the right onto Pitt.  But to date we have not really had much of an accident history here, or reason to do so as the predominant movement is the right turn.

“And we do not want to do the in-pavement lighting,” he said. “That is being shown to be a maintenance nightmare with various jurisdictions.”

I don’t know where a Yield sign would be put to improve anything. There’s nothing to yield to, except pedestrians, and a sign might confuse drivers.

Odd E. 11th/Trenton intersection questioned

The in basket: While touring food gardens in Manette Saturday during the Edible Garden Tour, I talked with Karen Danis at her Jacobsen Boulevard home, one of those on the tour.

She asked me about what she considers the counter-intuitive traffic control on East 11th Street at Trenton Avenue, a few blocks from their home, where drivers may continue without stopping in the left turn onto Trenton. Drivers on Trenton northbound must stop and the very few wanting to continue south on Trenton must yield. Her husband, Galen, said he makes a hard right from Jacobsen’s angled approach, then left to approach the turn at a right angle and stay out of the way of cars turning from East 11th to Trenton.

The out basket: I told them the intersection had been that way for as long as I can recall, and I doubt the city would change it, barring a rash of accidents there. It would change driver’s expectations after decades of it being as it is.

As an example, there still are many drivers coming off the Manette Bridge and not yielding to traffic in the new roundabout there, which I think is attributable to the decades of them having the right of way when leaving the bridge. That changed just this year.

Reader Jan Luckcuck wrote last week saying it’s still happening, twice to her in the previous two weeks while she was in the roundabout.

I’m unable to guess what experience caused the city to allow lefts without stopping on East 11th at Trenton, and I imagine anyone in city government at the time who would know is long gone.

Do any of you old-timers, perhaps residents of that area, recall  what led to the strange arrangement?

Short block of Pitt may impede new Manette bridge’s traffic

The in basket: Ralph Gribbin and Gary Blankenship are hoping the new traffic pattern in Manette with the opening of its new bridge will be smoothed with some changes on the short block of Pitt Avenue between Harkins and East 11th Street.

“What are the city’s plans for the streets leading to the bridge?” Gary asked. “At the very least, shouldn’t parking along (that part of Pitt) be stopped? Better, shouldn’t it be widened?”

Ralph would go further. “Ever since the old bridge was closed, Manette traffic has had to go straight through on Harkins to Pitt, stop, turn right on Pitt for one short block and stop at 11th Street before turning left onto it,” he wrote.

“Leaving those two stop signs where they are stops the smooth flow of traffic from the bridge to 11th and up to Perry and Trenton avenues.

“Removing those two stop signs, placing a Yield sign on westbound 11th just before Pitt, and a stop sign on eastbound 11th just before Pitt  would make this the thoroughfare that should exist in that area.

“The same basic layout has existed at Trenton Avenue and 11th for years without any problem,” he said.

The out basket: I drove around there and it does have all the earmarks of a bottleneck, with little room for anything very large to make the turn if there is oncoming traffic.

The city of Bremerton is taking a wait-and-see approach to this, says Gunnar Fridriksson of the city engineers office, to see what drivers do naturally.

“The city had numerous conversations with (the state) about the after-configuration of the streets in Manette,” he said. “… What was decided was to wait a bit after the new bridge was open to see how traffic reacted with the new configuration. Often it just takes a couple of weeks for issues to iron themselves out and drivers to adjust to the new situation, and we did not want to spend unnecessary effort for signage and the like.”

There will be some changes made in that area, probably next year, but they’re not intended to help the flow to and from the bridge.

“The project is a Low Impact Development street project,” Gunnar said, “similar to what occurred on Pacific Avenue with pervious paving, rain gardens, etc…

“We will be going from the west end of (East) 11th Street, east as far as the money will allow us. We originally were trying to make it to Perry Avenue, but with the funding received, are trying to at least make it to Scott, but it may just be to Pitt.

“It should be a good complement to the redone Whitey Domstad viewscape,” he said.