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	<title>Comments on: Flashing yellow at Lund &amp; Jackson worries reader</title>
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		<title>By: MidiMagic</title>
		<link>http://pugetsoundblogs.com/roadwarrior/2009/06/29/flashing-yellow-at-lund-jackson-worries-reader/comment-page-1/#comment-3608</link>
		<dc:creator>MidiMagic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2011 03:33:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A new look at the flashing yellow arrow:

It has the same meaning as the circular green for the left turning driver.

But it has a very different meaning for the driver who is NOT turning left.

This is why the flashing yellow arrow was created. There is a need to separate the turning movement from other movements, with a separate signal indication for each.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A new look at the flashing yellow arrow:</p>
<p>It has the same meaning as the circular green for the left turning driver.</p>
<p>But it has a very different meaning for the driver who is NOT turning left.</p>
<p>This is why the flashing yellow arrow was created. There is a need to separate the turning movement from other movements, with a separate signal indication for each.</p>
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		<title>By: MidiMagic</title>
		<link>http://pugetsoundblogs.com/roadwarrior/2009/06/29/flashing-yellow-at-lund-jackson-worries-reader/comment-page-1/#comment-2750</link>
		<dc:creator>MidiMagic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 09:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The new 2009 Manual of Uniform Traffic Control Devices is now the standard. It was released Wednesday December 16, 2009. Google MUTCD for info.

Some changes in the manual regarding this topic:

- Flashing yellow arrows 4-section face now the standard signal for protected/permissive left turn signals.

- Flashing yellow arrow means turn after yielding to opposing traffic.

- Flashing red arrow means turn after stop.

- Doghouse still allowed, but restricted to placement to the right of the lane line between left turn and thru lanes.

- Yellow trap must be eliminated or signed (as in 2003 edition, but no grace period).

- Dallas Phasing no longer allowed.

- No circular green allowed over or in line with the left turn lane.

- No circular red allowed on exclusive left turn signals. Must have red arrow.

- Exclusive turn signal not allowed if no exclusive turn lane exists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The new 2009 Manual of Uniform Traffic Control Devices is now the standard. It was released Wednesday December 16, 2009. Google MUTCD for info.</p>
<p>Some changes in the manual regarding this topic:</p>
<p>- Flashing yellow arrows 4-section face now the standard signal for protected/permissive left turn signals.</p>
<p>- Flashing yellow arrow means turn after yielding to opposing traffic.</p>
<p>- Flashing red arrow means turn after stop.</p>
<p>- Doghouse still allowed, but restricted to placement to the right of the lane line between left turn and thru lanes.</p>
<p>- Yellow trap must be eliminated or signed (as in 2003 edition, but no grace period).</p>
<p>- Dallas Phasing no longer allowed.</p>
<p>- No circular green allowed over or in line with the left turn lane.</p>
<p>- No circular red allowed on exclusive left turn signals. Must have red arrow.</p>
<p>- Exclusive turn signal not allowed if no exclusive turn lane exists.</p>
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		<title>By: MidiMagic</title>
		<link>http://pugetsoundblogs.com/roadwarrior/2009/06/29/flashing-yellow-at-lund-jackson-worries-reader/comment-page-1/#comment-2461</link>
		<dc:creator>MidiMagic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 04:45:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a sign &quot;left turn yield on flashing yellow arrow&quot; that could be used during the first few months of each installation.

I just saw a draft version of the new Manual of Uniform Traffic Control Devices. It prohibits circular green and circular red indications on separate left turn signal faces.

Flashing yellow arrows are now in use in 35 states (all except IL IN ME ND NE NY OH OK PA RI SC SD TN WV),

Six states (AK MI MN OR TX WA) now require flashing yellow arrows for all new installations where it can be safely used.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a sign &#8220;left turn yield on flashing yellow arrow&#8221; that could be used during the first few months of each installation.</p>
<p>I just saw a draft version of the new Manual of Uniform Traffic Control Devices. It prohibits circular green and circular red indications on separate left turn signal faces.</p>
<p>Flashing yellow arrows are now in use in 35 states (all except IL IN ME ND NE NY OH OK PA RI SC SD TN WV),</p>
<p>Six states (AK MI MN OR TX WA) now require flashing yellow arrows for all new installations where it can be safely used.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
		<link>http://pugetsoundblogs.com/roadwarrior/2009/06/29/flashing-yellow-at-lund-jackson-worries-reader/comment-page-1/#comment-2219</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 15:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s funny that most complains seem to stem from Women, is this something significant - It would also be interesting to see age demographics of these people who say this is confusing - maybe the County should post pictures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s funny that most complains seem to stem from Women, is this something significant &#8211; It would also be interesting to see age demographics of these people who say this is confusing &#8211; maybe the County should post pictures.</p>
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		<title>By: MidiMagic</title>
		<link>http://pugetsoundblogs.com/roadwarrior/2009/06/29/flashing-yellow-at-lund-jackson-worries-reader/comment-page-1/#comment-2131</link>
		<dc:creator>MidiMagic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 04:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This will be replacing the green ball for permissive turns everywhere, for a very important safety reason. The flashing yellow arrow can be displayed while the straight ahead signals are red. The green ball can not be displayed then.

There is a dangerous sequence called yellow trap that many traffic signals display. It happens when the signals turn yellow in one direction, but remain green for the opposite direction on the same street. By keeping the yellow arrow flashing while the main signals are yellow or red, it keeps the left turning driver from turning across traffic that still has a green light.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This will be replacing the green ball for permissive turns everywhere, for a very important safety reason. The flashing yellow arrow can be displayed while the straight ahead signals are red. The green ball can not be displayed then.</p>
<p>There is a dangerous sequence called yellow trap that many traffic signals display. It happens when the signals turn yellow in one direction, but remain green for the opposite direction on the same street. By keeping the yellow arrow flashing while the main signals are yellow or red, it keeps the left turning driver from turning across traffic that still has a green light.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry</title>
		<link>http://pugetsoundblogs.com/roadwarrior/2009/06/29/flashing-yellow-at-lund-jackson-worries-reader/comment-page-1/#comment-2126</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:48:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think if one is confused by a flashing yellow turn signal,then one should surrender their driver&#039;s license (by mail)  as soon as possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think if one is confused by a flashing yellow turn signal,then one should surrender their driver&#8217;s license (by mail)  as soon as possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenn</title>
		<link>http://pugetsoundblogs.com/roadwarrior/2009/06/29/flashing-yellow-at-lund-jackson-worries-reader/comment-page-1/#comment-2123</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dont like the light either. People have gotten in the habit when the person in front of them moves so do they. They arent paying enough attention to the color of the light. I thought that I p aid close attention, but also caught myself a couple of times following traffic. Lots of changes around the county, not all of them are good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dont like the light either. People have gotten in the habit when the person in front of them moves so do they. They arent paying enough attention to the color of the light. I thought that I p aid close attention, but also caught myself a couple of times following traffic. Lots of changes around the county, not all of them are good.</p>
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		<title>By: Donna</title>
		<link>http://pugetsoundblogs.com/roadwarrior/2009/06/29/flashing-yellow-at-lund-jackson-worries-reader/comment-page-1/#comment-2122</link>
		<dc:creator>Donna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 17:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I HATE THEM ~~I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM REMOVED!! WAY TOO MANY NEAR MISSES AT JACKSON!! I DON&#039;T UNDERSTAND THE RESONING BEHIND DOING IT IN THE FIRST PLACE!! THANKS FOR LETTING ME VENT</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I HATE THEM ~~I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM REMOVED!! WAY TOO MANY NEAR MISSES AT JACKSON!! I DON&#8217;T UNDERSTAND THE RESONING BEHIND DOING IT IN THE FIRST PLACE!! THANKS FOR LETTING ME VENT</p>
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		<title>By: Janet</title>
		<link>http://pugetsoundblogs.com/roadwarrior/2009/06/29/flashing-yellow-at-lund-jackson-worries-reader/comment-page-1/#comment-2121</link>
		<dc:creator>Janet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 16:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A green ball has always meant yield.  It&#039;s what we learned in traffic school.  Don&#039;t recall learning anything about a flashing yellow arrow.  Most people are smart enough to figure it out, but I have seen quite a few near misses at Jackson and Lund since it was installed.  I was used to people just running the light before the revision.  The near misses have been scary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A green ball has always meant yield.  It&#8217;s what we learned in traffic school.  Don&#8217;t recall learning anything about a flashing yellow arrow.  Most people are smart enough to figure it out, but I have seen quite a few near misses at Jackson and Lund since it was installed.  I was used to people just running the light before the revision.  The near misses have been scary.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
		<link>http://pugetsoundblogs.com/roadwarrior/2009/06/29/flashing-yellow-at-lund-jackson-worries-reader/comment-page-1/#comment-2119</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 14:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They are not confusing at all.  I love them!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They are not confusing at all.  I love them!</p>
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