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		<title>By: Dragonfly</title>
		<link>http://pugetsoundblogs.com/kitsap-caucus/2006/02/23/red-flags-over-rednecks/comment-page-1/#comment-4225</link>
		<dc:creator>Dragonfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 20:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, I find all this Redneck Nascar stuff interesting esp. coming from the state that probably should be debating the eviromental impact this will have on your state, not that you dont want redneck fans here.  the recent comments by your legislatures about nascar and its fans are compeletly appalling. If you are a native washatonian you should be deeply humiliated.  4 days after arriving here i watched  gov gary L. cry on public tv, your last gov election was a joke, you produced the greenriver killer, oh and does bundy sound familiar, you have a via duct that will kill people and yet you still debate, i have to words for you Downwinders syndrome, I wont even go into the state of the puget sound waters. My point: Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones! What is even sadder is that you scream and wonder why your sports teams cant cut a break, i just hope there are no redneck refs at the next seahawk game!  oh well take heart after all being the meth capitol and indoor pot growing capitol of the US is a great honor to be sure.  If the southern states dont ban washington apples i will be really suprised.  I am just appalled that you could claim to be such a great state on one hand but call other people redneck, beer drinking, dui getting, idiots on the other, and to there face no less.  If anything you should be taking there money you need it for via duct, and polluted whales.  I bet Enumclaws Kasey Kahne and his family felt really good about all the support Washington State gives it&#039;s own. I would be more concerned about protecting washingtons environment from any further damage, you cant afford another clean up job, solve the tacoma aroma and then tackle Nascar! by the way, Rednecks are called that cause there necks get red from the sun beating down on them as they work farming, you know labor you do with your hands and tools, and beer drinking is just as legal as a mocha latte and they are both drugs.  Nascar can have it both ways, Washington State already does!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, I find all this Redneck Nascar stuff interesting esp. coming from the state that probably should be debating the eviromental impact this will have on your state, not that you dont want redneck fans here.  the recent comments by your legislatures about nascar and its fans are compeletly appalling. If you are a native washatonian you should be deeply humiliated.  4 days after arriving here i watched  gov gary L. cry on public tv, your last gov election was a joke, you produced the greenriver killer, oh and does bundy sound familiar, you have a via duct that will kill people and yet you still debate, i have to words for you Downwinders syndrome, I wont even go into the state of the puget sound waters. My point: Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones! What is even sadder is that you scream and wonder why your sports teams cant cut a break, i just hope there are no redneck refs at the next seahawk game!  oh well take heart after all being the meth capitol and indoor pot growing capitol of the US is a great honor to be sure.  If the southern states dont ban washington apples i will be really suprised.  I am just appalled that you could claim to be such a great state on one hand but call other people redneck, beer drinking, dui getting, idiots on the other, and to there face no less.  If anything you should be taking there money you need it for via duct, and polluted whales.  I bet Enumclaws Kasey Kahne and his family felt really good about all the support Washington State gives it&#8217;s own. I would be more concerned about protecting washingtons environment from any further damage, you cant afford another clean up job, solve the tacoma aroma and then tackle Nascar! by the way, Rednecks are called that cause there necks get red from the sun beating down on them as they work farming, you know labor you do with your hands and tools, and beer drinking is just as legal as a mocha latte and they are both drugs.  Nascar can have it both ways, Washington State already does!</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Dorn</title>
		<link>http://pugetsoundblogs.com/kitsap-caucus/2006/02/23/red-flags-over-rednecks/comment-page-1/#comment-4224</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Dorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Mar 2006 20:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About Rednecks and NASCAR and Kitsap County...have you looked around Kitsap County lately?  This place is bustling with Rednecks (or Inbread Jeds as I call them).  Now go to Seattle, Redmond or nearly anywhere else on the East Side and you will see a totally different class of people.  In my opinion, if not Kitsap for NASCAR in Washington, then where?...Omak? George? Spokane?  Sounds like a logical place to me.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About Rednecks and NASCAR and Kitsap County&#8230;have you looked around Kitsap County lately?  This place is bustling with Rednecks (or Inbread Jeds as I call them).  Now go to Seattle, Redmond or nearly anywhere else on the East Side and you will see a totally different class of people.  In my opinion, if not Kitsap for NASCAR in Washington, then where?&#8230;Omak? George? Spokane?  Sounds like a logical place to me.</p>
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		<title>By: James R. Housel</title>
		<link>http://pugetsoundblogs.com/kitsap-caucus/2006/02/23/red-flags-over-rednecks/comment-page-1/#comment-4223</link>
		<dc:creator>James R. Housel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2006 05:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right, Chad.  We&#039;ve strayed pretty far from the topic when we can&#039;t tell a socialist from a commie.  :)

To the subject at hand, the same phenomenon (sp?) occurs from time to time in country music.  In order to increase market share, the country songs start to sound more like pop music.  Then, every once in a while, the classic country fans stage a revolt, Alan Jackson or LeAnn Womack comes along sounding like country again, and things settle down.

I&#039;m pretty sure that Mr. Helton was trying to demonstrate that NASCAR wasn&#039;t a bunch of overall-clad, tabaky-chawin, barefoot hicks.  Not having heard or read his comments directly, I can&#039;t condemn or defend them.  I think NASCAR should split the difference and market the sport to the inner-redneck inside ALL of us.  Kind of like Jeff Foxworthy with horsepower.

With regards to the National Anthem, some country singers can butcher that piece just as easily as a Black-Eyed-Pea.  Francis Scott Key wrote some profound words, but he sure picked a lousy tune to put it to.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right, Chad.  We&#8217;ve strayed pretty far from the topic when we can&#8217;t tell a socialist from a commie.  <img src='http://pugetsoundblogs.com/kitsap-caucus/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>To the subject at hand, the same phenomenon (sp?) occurs from time to time in country music.  In order to increase market share, the country songs start to sound more like pop music.  Then, every once in a while, the classic country fans stage a revolt, Alan Jackson or LeAnn Womack comes along sounding like country again, and things settle down.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure that Mr. Helton was trying to demonstrate that NASCAR wasn&#8217;t a bunch of overall-clad, tabaky-chawin, barefoot hicks.  Not having heard or read his comments directly, I can&#8217;t condemn or defend them.  I think NASCAR should split the difference and market the sport to the inner-redneck inside ALL of us.  Kind of like Jeff Foxworthy with horsepower.</p>
<p>With regards to the National Anthem, some country singers can butcher that piece just as easily as a Black-Eyed-Pea.  Francis Scott Key wrote some profound words, but he sure picked a lousy tune to put it to.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob Metcalf</title>
		<link>http://pugetsoundblogs.com/kitsap-caucus/2006/02/23/red-flags-over-rednecks/comment-page-1/#comment-4222</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob Metcalf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2006 23:52:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was waiting to be called a commie. That is so 1950s.

The last time I was called a commie was by former State Representative Lois McMahon insulted the coalitions of environmentalists that were arguing to save the CAO environmental protection laws in the CAO public testimony. Her husband called us Nazi so I was not sure what side on WW2 we represented in their minds. God I hope she gets the nomination for state Senate. That would be perfect.

Usually due to Goodwin’s law of the Internet whenever some one calls another side a commie or Nazi the reasonable discussion is pretty much over.

My political party was founded by President Jefferson and President Jackson not Karl Marx nor Karl Rove.

In the words of Edward R Murrow Good Night and Good Luck.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was waiting to be called a commie. That is so 1950s.</p>
<p>The last time I was called a commie was by former State Representative Lois McMahon insulted the coalitions of environmentalists that were arguing to save the CAO environmental protection laws in the CAO public testimony. Her husband called us Nazi so I was not sure what side on WW2 we represented in their minds. God I hope she gets the nomination for state Senate. That would be perfect.</p>
<p>Usually due to Goodwin’s law of the Internet whenever some one calls another side a commie or Nazi the reasonable discussion is pretty much over.</p>
<p>My political party was founded by President Jefferson and President Jackson not Karl Marx nor Karl Rove.</p>
<p>In the words of Edward R Murrow Good Night and Good Luck.</p>
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		<title>By: Chad Lewis</title>
		<link>http://pugetsoundblogs.com/kitsap-caucus/2006/02/23/red-flags-over-rednecks/comment-page-1/#comment-4221</link>
		<dc:creator>Chad Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2006 23:37:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Metcalf and Mr. Housel:
Thanks so much for your enteraining back-and-forths. But does anyone else have anything to say about this issue involving redneck culture in NASCAR?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Metcalf and Mr. Housel:<br />
Thanks so much for your enteraining back-and-forths. But does anyone else have anything to say about this issue involving redneck culture in NASCAR?</p>
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		<title>By: James R. Housel</title>
		<link>http://pugetsoundblogs.com/kitsap-caucus/2006/02/23/red-flags-over-rednecks/comment-page-1/#comment-4220</link>
		<dc:creator>James R. Housel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2006 23:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kind of ironic.  I had to look up &quot;socialism&quot; in reference to an economics homework assignment, but wanted to check in here first to see how the arguments were going.  I guess Mr. Metcalf provided me with the definition of socialism I was looking for.  :)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kind of ironic.  I had to look up &#8220;socialism&#8221; in reference to an economics homework assignment, but wanted to check in here first to see how the arguments were going.  I guess Mr. Metcalf provided me with the definition of socialism I was looking for.  <img src='http://pugetsoundblogs.com/kitsap-caucus/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jacob Metcalf</title>
		<link>http://pugetsoundblogs.com/kitsap-caucus/2006/02/23/red-flags-over-rednecks/comment-page-1/#comment-4219</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob Metcalf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:40:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My employer contracting process is under the strictest federal contracting regulations. I would mention that a huge percentile of the Kitsap county workforce is under a similar condition.

That is much more open than the secretive and sketchy pork for Nascar proposal. It is apples and oranges. As a progressive Democrat I believe in good effective accountable government that looks out for the best interest of the people and taking the financial responsibility and opening up the pocket books for a billion plus out-of-state corporation is not under the core necessity of our state government. It is pork and corporate welfare and that is the frame that I am sticking to.

Kitsap county needs real improvements in regional transportation and the money could be spend on that rather than the trickle down Voodoo economics plan and the lies of Reganomics. The entire idea that this is going to create jobs and improve public infrastructure by handing a check out to the billionaires from Florida through a trickle down effect is exactly what has failed on the national level. We could have a real regional transportation upgrade plan or a expanding college opportunities in the state rather cutting a check to NASCAR.

It is the mentality of pork for corporations at the public expense that left Southern States in such sad financial condition.

I simply don’t buy the concept of giving billionaires public money for something as trivial as a racetrack is going to help our county.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My employer contracting process is under the strictest federal contracting regulations. I would mention that a huge percentile of the Kitsap county workforce is under a similar condition.</p>
<p>That is much more open than the secretive and sketchy pork for Nascar proposal. It is apples and oranges. As a progressive Democrat I believe in good effective accountable government that looks out for the best interest of the people and taking the financial responsibility and opening up the pocket books for a billion plus out-of-state corporation is not under the core necessity of our state government. It is pork and corporate welfare and that is the frame that I am sticking to.</p>
<p>Kitsap county needs real improvements in regional transportation and the money could be spend on that rather than the trickle down Voodoo economics plan and the lies of Reganomics. The entire idea that this is going to create jobs and improve public infrastructure by handing a check out to the billionaires from Florida through a trickle down effect is exactly what has failed on the national level. We could have a real regional transportation upgrade plan or a expanding college opportunities in the state rather cutting a check to NASCAR.</p>
<p>It is the mentality of pork for corporations at the public expense that left Southern States in such sad financial condition.</p>
<p>I simply don’t buy the concept of giving billionaires public money for something as trivial as a racetrack is going to help our county.</p>
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		<title>By: James R. Housel</title>
		<link>http://pugetsoundblogs.com/kitsap-caucus/2006/02/23/red-flags-over-rednecks/comment-page-1/#comment-4218</link>
		<dc:creator>James R. Housel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2006 19:50:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS:  Mr. Metcalf:

You keep changing your whining parameters.  In your original ranting, you talked about &quot;Washington State culture,&quot; then when I showed you how prevelant NASCAR and auto racing is in Washington State, you changed it to &quot;native to Kitsap.&quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS:  Mr. Metcalf:</p>
<p>You keep changing your whining parameters.  In your original ranting, you talked about &#8220;Washington State culture,&#8221; then when I showed you how prevelant NASCAR and auto racing is in Washington State, you changed it to &#8220;native to Kitsap.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: James R. Housel</title>
		<link>http://pugetsoundblogs.com/kitsap-caucus/2006/02/23/red-flags-over-rednecks/comment-page-1/#comment-4217</link>
		<dc:creator>James R. Housel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2006 19:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Metcalf --

You still haven&#039;t looked up the definition of pork.  As a government contractor, I would have thought you&#039;d know it by heart.  They aren&#039;t making money off of the state and region, they&#039;re making money off of the TV package, advertising, licensed marketing and from attendees of racing events.  The state and region MAKE money from the deal.  As a graphic artist, you could ride the gravy train, too if you didn&#039;t find it so personally revolting.

The track is a real and attractive economic option for Kitsap, and I&#039;m sure Hwy 3 will be widened as part of the package.

It&#039;s possible none of us will survive the Peak Oil Crisis.  But one of the NASCAR race teams is sponsored by a company that makes and markets E85 (up to 85% grain ethanol).  How&#039;s that for a solution?


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Metcalf &#8211;</p>
<p>You still haven&#8217;t looked up the definition of pork.  As a government contractor, I would have thought you&#8217;d know it by heart.  They aren&#8217;t making money off of the state and region, they&#8217;re making money off of the TV package, advertising, licensed marketing and from attendees of racing events.  The state and region MAKE money from the deal.  As a graphic artist, you could ride the gravy train, too if you didn&#8217;t find it so personally revolting.</p>
<p>The track is a real and attractive economic option for Kitsap, and I&#8217;m sure Hwy 3 will be widened as part of the package.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s possible none of us will survive the Peak Oil Crisis.  But one of the NASCAR race teams is sponsored by a company that makes and markets E85 (up to 85% grain ethanol).  How&#8217;s that for a solution?</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob Metcalf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob Metcalf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2006 07:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It has been on TV for decades. It is about as native to Kitsap as Sumo Wresteling.Oh 1957 that was twenty years before I was born. Besides I have not ever heard one good explanation how NASCAR is going to survive the Peak Oil Crisis that is coming? Cheap oil is going to run out in my life time and probably sooner than some Race track would be paid off. We need to focus on real transportation and economic options for Kitsap and not on pork for billionaires in Florida. Do you really think they need the money?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It has been on TV for decades. It is about as native to Kitsap as Sumo Wresteling.Oh 1957 that was twenty years before I was born. Besides I have not ever heard one good explanation how NASCAR is going to survive the Peak Oil Crisis that is coming? Cheap oil is going to run out in my life time and probably sooner than some Race track would be paid off. We need to focus on real transportation and economic options for Kitsap and not on pork for billionaires in Florida. Do you really think they need the money?</p>
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