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More comments from transit meeting on fast ferries

April 18th, 2013 by ed friedrich

There were lots of interesting comments about fast ferries at Tuesday’s Kitsap Transit meeting that I couldn’t fit in my story. I’ll add some of them here. One of the agency’s goals for the year, by the way, is to develop an approach to future cross-Sound passenger-ferry operations. That includes developing financial options that won’t hurt bus operations and developing an updated passenger-only ferry business plan. The board was being asked whether transit should use up to $300,000 in federal money from the Rich Passage 1 research to have a consultant develop the business plan.

County Commissioner Charlotte Garrido said that’s the only way some of the board’s questions will be answered. A business plan would determine if offering POF service is feasible, and if so, who should do it. It wouldn’t necessarily be Kitsap Transit. “I think we’re losing an opportunity if we don’t do the business plan,” she said. “We had a dilemma in Kitsap County for a number of years with wake damage and we’ve come a long way in addressing that dilemma. We have an obligation to finish that off.” A business plan “makes total sense,” she said. She knows there’s a lot of community support for it and a need to get people timely across the water.

Bremerton Mayor Patty Lent: We know there’s not a wake problem, that this design works. Now we need to close that by having a business plan, whether Kitsap Transit operates it or not. This cannot be ignored.

Port Orchard City Councilman Rob Putaansuu: I think it’s imperative to develop a business plan before we take the next big step.”

County Commissioner Josh Brown: I think it’s really important that we highlight having improved servcie on the south end of the county. Look at it holistically, at the whole county.” Brown was also quoted in the story, as was Poulsbo Mayor Becky Erickson and Port Orchard Mayor Tim Matthes.

Ann Blair, Bainbridge Island City Councilwoman: “This is  research project and we’ve only done part of it. I do not hear a foregone conclusion what we will find out. We may not learn it’s a sound decision. This is another piece of the research project.”

John Witte, nonvoting, labor-representing board member: He said his wallet is only so deep and the middle class is feeling a pinch. “Having said that, I also understand this community must diversity or it will die. … We need this. We need to take care of our own, and the only way to do that is to diversity.”

Nine of 10 members of the public spoke for conducting the business plan. Roger Gay of rural South Kitsap was the only one opposed. He often calls the agency “Kitsap Commuter Transit” because it mostly goes to the ferries and shipyard and not in the country where he lives. He asked whether it’s Kitsap commuter transit or Kitsap public transit. It takes 3 to 5 hours to get around the county. A requirement to shift buses to alternative fuels and the agency’s bus replacement plan will cost a lot and that’s where its attention should be. The Port of Bremerton, Bremerton and Port Orchard are paying for Sunday ferry service because the agency doesn’t operate on Sunday. “You’re not serving the public,” he said.

Walt Draper of the Marine Transportation Association of Kitsap, which was set up to support passenger ferries: The next hurdle is to get over how to pay for it. It seems there’s no shortage of possible ways. You’ve got the funding to develop a business plan and it’d be a good expenditure to study it in detail and see which one will work best. Lets see if we can solve the last big problem between us and reliable fast ferry service.”

Developer Mark Goldberg: “This is the greatest opportunity this town has seen. Vote for it.”

Kitsap Economic Development Alliance executive director John Powers: He said Kitsap is part of the Central Puget Sound regional economy. Goods and workers migrate every day. Any way you can enhance that connectivity is a positive to employees and the community. “Sometimes you have to build it before they come,” he said, using South Lake Union trolley cars as an example. “Sometimes you have to prime the pump to get people to see it.”

Dino Davis of Kitsap County Association of Realtors: He said each fast ferry venture turned people away. “Why is this? it’s a quality of life issue. A grater base of transportation options benefits you, me and this community, and I hope you see a big groundswell of support for it.”

Jaime Forsyth: She said its bigger than a transportation issue, it’s an economic development opportunity. A chance to balance the economy, to reduce traffic on Highway 305. A lot of people being pushed out of Seattle would move here, and the key is where they live, not where they work.

Grant Griffin of MKAT: “The most important thing we can do now is have a sound business plan so we can move forward.

Holly James of MKAT and Kitsap Entrepreneurial Center: She said one of her customers has 20 people coming from Seattle to work in Bremerton, and the number could grow to 100. They are bringing money to our community.”

Beverly Kincaid of MKAT: “Economic vitality is what I believe the proposed fast ferry service is all about.” If you don’t know where you’re going, any road will take you there. Commuters wouldn’t be the only ones to benefit. People would move here, improve their properties and increase the tax base. “Starting with a business plan is imperative.”

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

6 Responses to “More comments from transit meeting on fast ferries”

  1. Bob Meadows Says:

    Mayor Lent says there is no wake problem, but is that true?

    Has the final research report been issued?

    Did the preliminary report advise our elected officials to avoid increasing the number of runs because the damage would be greater with more runs through Rich Passage? To my recollection, the news article back then said the increase to 5 runs a day 6 days a week caused measurably greater shoreline damage, so the experts said not to count on more runs than that. (I haven’t looked for the final or the preliminary report, so, yes, I’m being lazy.)

    If the runs from and to Bremerton are limited to 5 a day 6 days a week, that’s not the same as having solved the wake damage problem.

  2. ed friedrich Says:

    The research is being buttoned up and will be published at any time. A recommendation that came out of it was to start off with the 60 trips a week Kitsap Transit had been offering, keep a close eye on it and go from there. Common sense says more trips would mean more impacts, but I don’t know where you’d draw the line.

  3. Roger Gay Says:

    So would it be a done deal for the POF to work out of Bremerton? Even faster routes would be out of Southworth or even Bainbridge or Kingston. Cost for commuters? Did they not try a $7.00 and a $6.00 one way cost? What kind of payback on fares? The experiment garnered a 19% fare payback. That means 81% subsidized cost to taxpayers. With one experimental POF, what happens when it fails, as it will? That leads into additional Federal, State and County funds to buy more POF’s.

    Kitsap County and its citizens would be better served with efficient, county wide, seven day a week bus service. But that is obviously not on the agenda of the Empire of Kitsap Commuter Transit.

    Roger Gay
    South Kitsap

  4. Roger Gay Says:

    “He often calls the agency “Kitsap Commuter Transit” because it mostly goes to the ferries and shipyard and not in the country where he lives.”

    Yes Ed, I live in rural Kitsap County. I actually have a vehicle we use to drive and do not require bus service myself. I have talked to many in Kitsap County who could use effective bus service, but can not due to a lack of it. Kitsap Commuter Transit cut Sunday service, why not an article on how much that has cost Kitsap County, Port Orchard, and Olympia when that cut meant inmates could not be released from jail due to a lack of transportation out of the area? How much has the cuts by KT cost citizens when Bremerton, Port Orchard, and the Port of Bremerton pick up foot ferry costs between the two cities on weekends and holidays.

    Frankly, I give a darn whether KT runs a bus by my house every hour between 0400 and 2400. What I care about is the hard working taxpayers getting a bang for their buck. I care about rural and urban residents being able to use a bus to do shopping trips or for lunch or a ballgame at a high school.

    I believe an efficient, county wide, seven day a week, 18 hour a day bus service will bring more to Kitsap County than a 30 minute trip to Seattle for a less than a thousand commuters.

    Roger Gay
    South Kitsap

  5. ed friedrich Says:

    I don’t know if it would be a done deal. Probably, because they spent all that money getting a boat to work there. But I don’t disagree that Kingston, despite its recent failure, and Southworth might be better options because they don’t already have service to downtown. But those routes could’ve been set up without any of the research. I think fast ferries are pretty cool and most others probably do too, probably even you. It’s just a matter of reasonably funding them. I don’t know how you do that, nor does anybody else.

  6. ed friedrich Says:

    I don’t know about the jail story, and we’ve written about the Sunday ferry service, but I get your point. I agree that Kitsap Transit’s top priority should be to restore Sunday service and other hours that were cut, and they say it is. Generally I think they do a good job targeting service where it’s needed the most. They can’t afford to provide much service to places where there are few riders. That doesn’t make sense. But sometimes I wonder if bus service would be better off if there was never such a thing as fast ferries to distract them. I see both sides. I try to stay objective and I hope I’ve been able to do so.